"Kurt was just like, really quiet and really edgy and we got to the bar and Kurt just announced, 'I've got to go out.' And just disappeared. So there was Dave and Krist and [Luke] the publicist sitting there. After about 20 minutes Krist is like, 'This is fucking ridiculous. We're supposed to be doing an interview, he walked off, I'm going home.' Krist walked out, so now there's Dave and me and Luke.
So, Dave and I are talking about antique clocks (he's a collector) and all of a sudden Kurt just bounces in, smiling, and goes, 'I'm sorry, I had to go see my chiropractor.' It was about 40 minutes. There was a big change in his attitude. Broadway is not renowned for chiropractors. His mood had completely changed, he was so bouncy and Luke was sitting there looking completely horrified. So, Kurt asks where Krist is, and we tell him he's gone. Kurt just launches into this rant about how much he hates Krist. Every time he sees him when he's out, Krist backs away like, 'Oh god, here comes the junkie' and it's like he can't stand him and he's always walking off."
-Dave Thompson, journalist & author, recalls the growing tension in July 1993 between Kurt and Krist as a result of Kurt's addiction (Nirvana: The Day to Day Illustrated Journals by Carrie Borzillo, pg. 145, 2000)
"When the song finished I kissed Kurdt's hand then gave him a big hug it was very emotional [...] Went for a walk into town with Kurdt and Go-Go. Kurdt is unfathomable. He's friendly but introverted and I find it difficult to talk to him because I admire his group so much and I don't like talking about music with him"
-Eugene Kelly writing about singing one of his own songs with Kurt during Nirvana's Reading Festival set (from Eugene's diary of the 1991 UK tour on which Captain America opened for Nirvana, Uncut Magazine Aug 2021)
Archivist's note: This was typed as it was written (lack of punctuation, etc).
"They really liked the studio's monitors, because they were so huge-sounding. When Been A Son was done, Kurt and Krist asked, 'Can we dance on the tables?' They jumped on one table and I jumped on another, and as we listened to the song, we rocked."
-Steve Fisk, engineer & producer, remembers a Sept. 1989 recording session (Jan. 2005 Mojo Magazine)
Interviewer: So, how did you guys meet? Come together?
Krist: Well, Kurt and I originally lived in this small community in Washington, and we just kind of found each other, because, uh...
Kurt: There's not too many people in that small community that like punk rock.
Krist: Yeah, yeah.
Kurt: It isn't too hard.
Krist: Yeah, yeah, it's like, you meet somebody and: "Oh, this is just another one of those fuckin' geeks." [makes chronic geek face] Then we fell in love. Yeah. It's been great. We're married.
Kurt: [sarcastic] Then we fell in love with each other's father's. [shakes head]
Krist: Yeah, it's like, father and son--fathers' and sons' relationships are really heavy. We like, swap fathers and stuff.
Kurt: We were part of the man-love-boy association.
Krist: We met through our fathers. Our fathers were kind of notorious in our town.
Kurt: [grins]
-18 Apr 1990
Archivist's notes: I love how Kurt finishes Krist's sentence here. Two black sheep sharing a vibe and a brain, apparently.
Just want to make note of the heavy sarcasm, black humor, and bullshittery going on here in the comments about their dads, since sarcasm doesn't translate well by text. For full body language cues, watch the complete interview on YouTube.
"I was sitting on a small couch and Tad was sitting in a chair across from me and we were talking. Just then Kurt walks in and jumps on Tad's lap and hangs on him with his arms around Tad's neck. Tad says, "Merry Christmas, little boy! What would you like for Christmas this year?"
Kurt then says, "I'm not so happy with you, Santa Tad..."
Tad: "Oh, really? And why is that?"
Kurt: "Because last year I asked you for a rubber fist shaped like this" [gestures with his hand in a tight fist] "but instead you gave me a rubber fist shaped like this!" [makes a gesture with his hand with all his fingers pressed together and straight forward] We all laughed."
-Tim Soylan, member of opening band who toured with Tad, recalling a 1990 tour story (2015, I Found My Friends by Nick Soulsby)
"I'm not proud of the fact that we have tons of MTV junkies and Guns N' Roses lugheads at our shows now. These are the kinds of people who are screaming out 'Do Teen Spirit!' during Polly. How are these pinheads going to appreciate the subtleties of something like 'Territorial Pissings' when they're doing it themselves out in the hallways? It's about a violent female revolution based on Valerie Solanas's book, The Scum Manifesto. How are these typical, macho American males gonna appreciate that?"
-Kurt, Propaganda Magazine, Spring 1992
Archivist's note: Read the lyrics to Territorial Pissings here.
It's nice to see that Kurt took The Scum Manifesto literally, as I believe it was intended to be read. Both Valerie and Kurt experienced some of the worst horrors of male violence in their lives, Kurt as child watching his mother being beaten (and probably sexually assaulted) by her horrible boyfriend(s) and Valerie, of course, through her economically-coerced involvement in prostitution.
"Scream broke up in LA, and Buzz Osborne told Dave that he should join Nirvana. So Dave called us and the first question I could think to ask was who his favorite bands were (I thought I should ask!)"...Kurt's in the background going, 'Shut up! Why are you asking that shit? Tell him to get up here!' It all sort of snowballed from there."
-Krist, 2005, Sliver: The Best of The Box booklet
""I don't think he [Kurt] had a hell of a lot of friends," [Matt] Lukin recalls. "He was always trying to start bands, but it was hard to find people who wouldn't flake out on him." [Buzz] Osborne introduced him to Novoselic, a shy youth so tall (he's six feet seven) that he bumped his head on the beams in Cobain's house. Cobain formed a band with this kindred spirit two years his senior. [...]
A vandal with a cause, Cobain loved to spray-paint the word "queer" on four-by-four trucks, the redneck vehicle of choice. Other favorite graffiti included "God is gay" and "Abort Nirvana Christ." In 1985, Novoselic, Osborne, and 18-year-old Cobain wrote "Homosexual Sex Rules" on the side of an Aberdeen bank (Osborne swears it said "Quiet Riot"). While Osborne and Novoselic hid in a garbage dumpster, Cobain was caught and arrested. A police report lists the contents of his pockets: a guitar pick, a key, a beer, a mood ring, and a cassette by the militant punk band Millions of Dead Cops."
-16 Apr 1992, Rolling Stone magazine
Archivist's note: Kurt listed Millions of Dead Cops as one of his top 50 favourite albums. Check out the lyrics to "America's So Straight" from the album Kurt had in his pocket.
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"I'm just happier than I've ever been. I finally found someone that I am totally compatible with. It doesn't matter whether she's a male, female or hermaphrodite or a donkey. We're compatible."
-Kurt on Courtney, Rolling Stone magazine, 16 April 1992
Archivist's note: This sentiment is commonly expressed by bisexuals.
"Novoselic and Cobain come from rural Aberdeen, Washington. [...] One of the more popular bars in town is actually called the Pourhouse, which is where two young men about Cobain's age, Joe and James, sit down for a pitcher of beer--each. [...]
"Yeah, I know the Cobain kid," says James, "Faggot."
He's a faggot?" asks Joe, taken aback. Recovering quickly, he declares, "We deal with faggots here. We run 'em out of town."
This is where Cobain and Novoselic grew up. That's why they kissed each other full on the lips as the Saturday Night Live credits rolled. They knew it would piss off the folks back home--and everybody like them.
"I definitely have a problem with the average macho man--the strong-oxen, working-class type," Cobain says wearily, "because they have always been a threat to me. I've had to deal with them most of my life--being taunted and beaten up by them in school, just having to be around them and be expected to be that kind of person when you grow up.
"I definitely feel closer to the feminine side of the human being than I do the male--or the American idea of what a male is supposed to be," Cobain continues. "Just watch a beer commercial and you'll see what I mean."
Of course, Cobain was miserable in high school. [...] [He] was a sensitive sort, small for his age, and uninterested in sports. "He was terrified of jocks and moron dudes," recalls Cobain's old friend, Mudhoney bassist Matt Lukin.
"As I got older," says Cobain, a fan of Beckett, Burroughs, and Bukowski, "I felt more and more alienated--I couldn't find friends whom I felt compatible with at all. Everyone was going to become a logger, and I knew I wanted to do something different. I wanted to be some kind of artist.""
-16 Apr 1992, Rolling Stone magazine article by Michael Azerrad
Interviewer: Some of the people who responded to the song, "Rape Me", said they were offended by it, in some way, or that they couldn't understand it. Could you explain the meaning of the song to perhaps clear up...
Kurt: Well, we're the cover boys of about ten different magazines this month and in every one of those magazines we explain it pretty good. It's an anti--let me repeat that--ANTI-rape song. I got tired of people trying to put too much meaning into my lyrics, you know, as being too...not making enough sense, so I decided to be really blunt and bold. I just thought, it's a kind of a funny, just reward for a person who rapes--like a guy, like a mean asshole who rapes a woman, violates her, then he goes into jail and get raped, you know. And I think it's a kind of justice, in a way.
Krist: Maybe being offended and not understanding it goes hand-in-hand.
Int: Yeah, well the only reason they were offended is that they obviously took it as a macho, you know--
Krist: They've been programmed by too many beer commercials, or something.
Int: Yeah, I mean, I don't really know how you would misunderstand something like that--
Kurt: I thought we made our stance on rape clear within the last year-and-a-half. Plus, anyone who knows about us would probably know that we are pretty much anti-rape, at this point, you know?
Int: Yeah, you'd think that would be clear, but I guess these were people who didn't know that much about you and were just listening to a record. I mean, you had trouble with Saturday Night Live, right? I mean, trying to get that song played. Why is that if it's this straightforward anti-rape song? Why are they having a problem with it?
Krist: Maybe you shouldn't be talking about it. It's like, taboo, you know? Daddy's bonking the little stepchild, "We don't talk about that here! Nope!".
Int: What's controversial about an anti-rape song? I guess it's the nature of...
Krist: It's a taboo.
Int: Taboo subject.
Krist: Yeah.
-24 Sept 1993
Interviewer: So, I'm assuming they just approached you and asked you to contribute a song* and you said yeah...
Krist: Here's a song from the AIDies. You wrote that song in the AIDies, Kurt. What period were you in?
Kurt: [pauses, joke hits him] Shut up.
Dave: Third period after lunch...
All three: [snickering]
Interviewer: I'm supposed to ask some general AIDS questions. Do you think contributing to something like this, that music can be used as a way to educate people about AIDS?
Krist: You know, as long as it raises money for treatment and hospices and things, that's what really turned me on, that it helped people who were suffering. As far as information, I get so much information, to speak for myself, I don't even know what the heck's going on.
Kurt: The record isn't going to give you any information. The money will.
Krist: Yeah. There's so many theories out there, is HIV even--
Dave: --having anything to do with AIDS?
Krist: --does it lead to AIDS? It's really hard. So, I guess the best thing you can do is help the people who are suffering from it.
Interviewer: Krist, I guess in some recent interviews you've tried to steer away from political subjects, so as not to be pigeonholed as the political one.
Krist: Heavy-handed. Yeah, there's no reason to dwell on it, because I'm just a bass player in a rock'n'roll band. Just go on and on and on about things. And you can talk all you want, but the main thing is that you should be doing things, and that's not just for me, that's for everybody, you know? Why talk about things in the media and then just go home and drink beer...
Kurt: Yeah, it's much more effective to do a benefit for Bosnian rape victims and come up with--[turns to Krist] How much money did we make for that, you know?--
Krist: Fifty-five grand.
Kurt: Yeah, I mean, that makes way more of an impact than talking about it.
Krist: And we got this organization called Balkan Women's Aid Fund--and [to interviewer] maybe you can flash the address and you can send donations to them--and we're working with women's groups in Croatia and Austria and Hungary and Serbia, and in Bosnia-Herzegovina, so we don't have any nationalist ties whatsoever. A lot of these women are just caught in the middle of it all, women and children, and so I'm just pluggin' away at that, still. I haven't given up and I just take advantage of the media and just mention the address, and if people want information they can write and I'll send them information back. But to just harp away on things, over and over again, people lose interest, you know.
We could be like We Are The World, on stage celebrating famine in Africa. You know [sings] "We are the world!" and there's kids, while they're doing that, totally starving to death. It's gross.
Interviewer: You went over to Bosnia...
Krist: I went to Croatia, I didn't go to Bosnia, no way. I wouldn't do that for Bob Guccione, Jr! [founder of Spin magazine, who assigned Krist to report on the Bosnian war for Spin]
All three: [laugh]
-24 Sept 1993
*to the No Alternative compilation to fund AIDS relief
Interviewer: "Well, are you [gay]?"
Kurt: "If I wasn't attracted to Courtney, I'd be a bisexual."
-11 Sept. 1992, Monk Magazine
Archivist's note: This quote shows that Kurt viewed sexuality and its labels as more of a verb than an adjective--something that he does, not something that he is. He frames his sexuality in terms of his current activities: He is currently monogamous to Courtney, so his bisexuality doesn't currently apply.
Many bisexuals nowdays complain about this assumption: that they have "gone straight" just because they are currently in a monogamous straight relationship. This shows the opposite mindset from Kurt's: that a sexuality label is a descriptor of a fixed state of being, rather than an activity that happens in the present moment.
To me it looks like Kurt was deliberately reassuring Courtney about his intentions, since she was present at this interview. She sounded jealous, as she immediately threw a homophobic slur at him after he declared his bisexuality.
"He's [Krist's] fantastic. I mean, he's highly underrated, or at least overshadowed as a musician, but he's such a huge part of Nirvana. I think Dave once said, "I've played in so many shows, you know how many Krist played in? All of 'em." And that's really true.
And I know from stories that Krist told me, you know, like, even in the early days, Krist was doing a lot of the load-ins. Krist was very protective of Kurt. It was very much a Sam and Frodo kind of a thing. Krist really fostered Kurt's ability to do what he did. And I think that you really need these two elements."
-Earnie Bailey, Nirvana's guitar tech, 13 Jun 2020, Daniel Sarkissian interview
Interviewer: "Was there an incident that really pushed the button that got you and the town [Aberdeen] at loggerheads, as it were?"
Kurt: "Well, what started the witch hunt was I decided to take some acid one evening and spray paint "queer" on the side of four-by-four trucks, the local rednecks' trucks. And so one of them saw me from his window and started screaming, "There's the queer vandal!" I'd been doing it for a while. But that night I decided to really go for it and do a lot, a lot of vandalism. So they caught me and chased me around."
Int: "The cops caught you or just some of the local toughs?"
Kurt: "The locals. The local toughs, right. [he laughs]
Int: "And did they know who you were?"
Kurt: "No. Just that crazy skinny kid who never went to school. Who was probably gay."
Int: "Well, are you?"
Kurt: "If I wasn't attracted to Courtney, I'd be a bisexual."
Courtney: "Faggot!!" [laughter]
Int: "So they ran you out of town?"
Kurt: "Yeah."
Int: "Did you ever go back?"
Kurt: "Well, um, every time I've gone to Aberdeen lately I've felt a real big threat. Actually, Chris was beaten up at a Denny's one night. Some locals were giving him the eye and I don't think it was sexual. They started beating him up in the men's room saying, "Some local hero you are."
-11 Sept 1992, Monk Magazine
Interviewer: "Are you going back [to Seattle] to vote in the elections?"
Kurt: "Yeah, I'll vote for Clinton."
Int: "Do you think he's the true change that he says he is?"
Kurt: "No, he's a Democrat, and the Democrats are not close either morally or philosophically to what I think. The Democrats are very conservative, but at least they're not as conservative as the Republicans. Republicans are the incarnation of Satan. I hate them. For me, the word 'Republican' is a bad word; when someone says 'Republican' they are saying, "cheat". It's the most offensive term you can say to someone. But in America there's nothing beyond these options."
Int: "Ross Perot?"
Kurt: "Nah, the guy sucks. He's rich; I don't trust him as president. In the end, though, I would risk it with someone who is not a professional politician, someone who does not follow the guidelines for being a certified politician. I'd prefer to vote for Perot, but he's not going to win; he is well behind. I don't want to waste my vote, and I prefer to make sure Bush doesn't continue. Obviously, the way the guy is doing things doesn't work." *
-31 Oct 1992, Argentina
*Archivist's note: This interview was translated into a foreign language and then back into English again, and it seems clear some nuance was lost due to awkward/imprecise translation.
Kurt: "I've already broke three guitars that I liked a lot, and I regretted it the minute I left the stage, but whatever, I can't do anything about it. It's out of my control."
Interviewer: "Where did you pick up this habit?"
Kurt: "I guess it's linked to a feeling of insecurity. In the beginning of Nirvana, we had a drummer that wasn't very good in my opinion. Out of rage and disgust, I sometimes left the stage throwing material. I realized that people liked it. And me, too, I loved doing it at the climax of the show. It compensated for not having a light show. I really don't know why I do that. I think it's the typical attitude of a frustrated little white guy. It also makes me feel alive."
-interview by Youri Lenquette, 23-25 Jan 1992 (from Cobain on Cobain by Nick Soulsby)
"In retrospect, my lack of skills led to lateral topics, such as ant farms and his [Kurt's] reverence for Mel Gibson, a.k.a. the Road Warrior, whom he termed "a hunk.""
-Robyn Doreian, about her second interview with Kurt dated 7 Dec 1991 (from Nick Soulsby's Cobain on Cobain)
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